[CALL TO ORDER]
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MARK? YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. TODAY IS TUESDAY, JULY 16TH, IN THE YEAR 2024.
WE'RE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON. WE'RE AT 222 NORTH TENNESSEE STREET. THIS
[PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS]
IS OUR CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, FIRST ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY. BUT I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON NON-AGENDA. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL MIRANDA VAN DER HEIDEN. IS THAT SOMEWHAT CLOSE? SO OKAY, SO WHEN YOU COME UP, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THERE'LL BE A TIMER TO YOUR LEFT. IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY. MY NAME IS MIRANDA VAN DER HEIDEN. I LIVE IN MCKINNEY, I AM A SOCIAL WORK GRADUATE STUDENT AT TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY. I'M HERE TODAY TO PETITION FOR INCREASED SUPPORT FOR HOUSING FIRST INITIATIVES. COLLIN COUNTY IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES, AND HAS ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE HOUSING MARKETS IN TEXAS. DESPITE THE CONTINUAL GROWTH OF THE POPULATION, THERE IS NOT A SHELTER FOR THOSE THAT ARE EXPERIENCING A LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN COLLIN COUNTY, THE ANNUAL POINT IN TIME REPORT FOUND THAT THERE WERE 3718 PEOPLE THAT WERE UNHOUSED DURING THE NIGHT. THE SURVEY WAS TAKEN IN JANUARY. HOUSING FIRST IS AN APPROACH TO COMBATING HOMELESSNESS THAT IS BUILT ON THE BELIEF THAT HUMANS NEED NECESSITIES SUCH AS FOOD AND SHELTER, BEFORE THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ATTEND TO ANYTHING THAT IS NOT AS CRITICAL, INCLUDING FINDING A JOB OR GETTING TREATMENT FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE. THIS APPROACH TO HOUSING DOES NOT REQUIRE ALL PRESENTING ISSUES TO BE ADDRESSED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, BUT THAT ONCE AN INDIVIDUAL IS SHELTERED, THEY CAN BEGIN TO ATTEND TO THE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES OF THEIR LIVES.RESEARCH SHOWS THAT HOUSING FIRST IS AN EFFECTIVE TOOL TO COMBAT HOMELESSNESS AND PROVIDE A STABLE SHELTER. STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT THE HOUSING FIRST APPROACH CAN SAVE UP TO $23,000 PER CONSUMER PER YEAR THAN A SHELTER PROGRAM. FOR EVERY DOLLAR INVESTED IN HOUSING FIRST PROGRAMS, THE AVERAGE AMOUNT SAVED ON EMERGENCY HOUSING, HEALTH CARE, JUDICIAL SERVICES AND WELFARE COSTS. 144 $1.44. BY INVESTING TIME AND FUNDS TOWARD A HOUSING FIRST APPROACH TO HOMELESSNESS, THE COUNTIES OF DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTY CAN SAVE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR CITIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT, DISCUSS REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. REGULAR MEETING THIS EVENING. IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE REGULAR AGENDA THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS NOW WITH STAFF SEEING NONE,
[Consider/Discuss an Appeal of a Drainage Maintenance Policy Decision Regarding Erosion at the Provence Townhomes]
WE'LL MOVE TO OUR WORK SESSION. ITEM 241754. CONSIDER AND DISCUSS AN APPEAL OF A DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE POLICY. DECISION REGARDING EROSION AT THE PROVINCE. TOWNHOMES GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M DANNY STILL. I'M A DRAINAGE ENGINEER WITH THE CITY. AND THIS ITEM IS AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY CITY STAFF NOT TO ADDRESS EROSION THAT'S OCCURRING ON THE PROVINCE. HOA PROPERTY. SO WE'VE GOT A SHORT PRESENTATION, AND THEN I CAN TAKE QUESTIONS WHEN I'M DONE.LAURA WALLACE WITH THE PROVINCE HOA IS ALSO HERE, AND SHE'LL OFFER SOME ADDITIONAL INFO AND TAKE QUESTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE. SO REAL QUICK. THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE ISSUE. THE PROPERTY ON THE LEFT WHERE IT SAYS STONEBRIDGE RANCH COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, IS OWNED BY THE STONEBRIDGE HOA. IT'S A RETENTION POND THAT WAS BUILT IN 2005, AND WE'LL GET INTO HISTORY IN A FUTURE SLIDE. THE GREEN AREA IN THE MIDDLE IS PROVINCE HOA PROPERTY. THERE IS A.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN SEE THE EROSION OCCURRING THERE ON THE KIND OF THE LEFT SIDE. JUST FOR REFERENCE, THE GREEN LINES ARE CITY STORM SEWER LINES. THE PURPLE LINES ARE CITY STORM DRAIN LINES. THAT STREET THERE IS RAPHAEL COURT JUST FOR REFERENCE. THIS IS KIND OF NEAR THE APEX CENTER NEAR ALMA AND EL DORADO. A BRIEF HISTORY. IN 2005, THAT POND WAS BUILT BY THE STONEBRIDGE HOA WITH GROUTED ROCK RIPRAP FOR SLOPE PROTECTION, THE PHASE ONE OF THE PROVINCE TOWNHOMES WAS PLATTED IN 2016, AND THE PROVINCE TOWNHOMES IS 8% OF THIS PARTICULAR WATERSHED. AND YOU'LL SEE A MAP ON THAT IN A SECOND. TWO GROUTED ROCK RIPRAP WAS SEEN IN A PICTURE THAT HAD ALREADY BEGUN TO FAIL BY 2017. IN 2021, THE EROSION BEGAN TO CUT UPSTREAM ONTO THE PROVINCE PROPERTY. 2024 THE PROVINCE HOA AND THE STONEBRIDGE HOA ASKED THE CITY FOR ASSISTANCE WITH THIS EROSION ISSUE, AND OUR RESPONSE WAS THAT EROSION IS A NATURAL PHENOMENON. IT'S UP TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO ADDRESS EROSION ON THEIR PROPERTY, HOW THEY SEE FIT, AND OUR POLICY HAS CERTAIN SITUATIONS WHERE WE WOULD STEP IN WITH CITY TAX DOLLARS TO ADDRESS IT. AND JUST IN SUMMARY, ONLY IF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS THREATENED, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE HERE OR IF PERMITTED, PRIVATE STRUCTURES ARE THREATENED AND ALSO NOT THE CASE HERE. THIS IS A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE APPEAL, WHICH LAURA COULD
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EXPAND ON. BUT THERE'S TWO POINTS TO IT THE SAFETY RISK AND THE ECONOMIC IMPACT. AND I THINK THE IMPACT ONE, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS THERE. THEY GOT A QUOTE FROM POND MEDICS TO FIX THE ISSUE. AND BY SPLITTING IT WITH THE STONEBRIDGE HOA, THE PROVINCE SHARE WAS GOING TO BE ROUGHLY 60 GRAND, WHICH WAS GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY FOR EACH OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE PROVINCE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE 2016 PROVINCE PLAT ALSO HAS A NOTE ABOUT, THE HOA IS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR COMMON AREA MAINTENANCE, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT IN A MINUTE. TWO HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE AREA. ALL THE RAIN THAT FALLS IN THAT BLUE SHAPE EVENTUALLY MAKES ITS WAY DOWN TO THE PINK DOT, AND THE WHITE SHAPE KIND OF ON THE LOWER SIDE OF THE PICTURE IS THE PROVINCE TOWNHOME. HOA WHICH IS, LIKE I SAID A MINUTE AGO, 8% OF THE WATERSHED, THOSE PURPLE LINES ARE STORM DRAIN LINES. THAT APEX CENTER IS KIND OF OFF TO THE RIGHT. THE GREEN SHADED AREA IS A DIFFERENT WATERSHED. IT'S EVERYTHING IN THE BLUE SHAPE COMES DOWN TO THIS PARTICULAR SPOT. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 2006. THE STONEBRIDGE POND WAS BUILT IN 2005. PROVINCE ON THE RIGHT WAS NOT YET BUILT, AND THAT GROUTED ROCK RIPRAP IN THE MIDDLE. THERE WAS WHAT WAS PUT IN WITH THE POND TO PROTECT AGAINST EROSION. AND IN 2006, IT LOOKED IT LOOKED GREAT, BUT BY 2017 IT HAD ALREADY BEGUN TO FAIL. THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PUDDLES OF WATER THERE. THE ROCK HAD BEGUN TO BREAK UP. THERE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE TREES THERE EITHER.SO THAT WAS JUST A PROOF THAT IT'S NOT FUNCTIONING PROPERLY. 2020 THAT'S AN AERIAL SHOT. YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE CLOSE TO THE WATER'S EDGE. THERE'S THOSE TWO AT LEAST TWO POOLS WHERE THE RIPRAP HAD BEEN FAILING. JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. WE WENT OUT THERE WITH THE STONEBRIDGE HOA AND PROVINCE HOA AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE PHOTOS WHERE THE EROSION HAD STARTED TO CUT BEYOND ALL THE RIPRAP INTO THAT OPEN GRASSY AREA AND THAT OPEN GRASSY AREA, KIND OF LOOKING INTO THE PICTURE IS PROVINCE HOA PROPERTY, KIND OF TO THE LEFT OF THE TREES IS THE STONEBRIDGE PROPERTY. THERE WAS SOME BIG STORMS IN MAY AND JUNE. THIS ONE EVEN BROUGHT OUT A SKIMBOARDER WHO WAS ENJOYING THE WATER WHILE IT WAS FLOWING HIGH. I GUESS THIS IS A PICTURE DURING I THINK, THE JUNE 2ND STORM FROM ONE OF THE HOMES THERE. AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL THE WATER FLOWING THROUGH THAT GRASSY AREA. THE JUNE 2ND STORM WAS PARTICULARLY A BIG STORM.
AND I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT EVEN DURING THAT STORM, THAT'S WHERE THE WATER IS KIND OF SUPPOSED TO GO. IT DIDN'T GET OUTSIDE OF THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT FOR THAT COMMON AREA AND DIDN'T FLOOD ANY HOUSES OR ANY STREETS THAT I'M AWARE OF. THIS IS A PICTURE RIGHT AFTER THAT STORM, PROBABLY THAT EVENING, KIND OF THE AFTERMATH. AND YOU CAN JUST SEE KIND OF THE WATER CASCADING OVER THE LITTLE WATERFALL THERE. AND THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE. THAT'S THE AERIAL SHOT. THE MOST RECENT AERIAL SHOT WE HAVE. AND THE EROSION WILL LIKELY CONTINUE IF NOTHING'S DONE THROUGH THAT GRASSY AREA. NOW THAT IT'S KIND OF PAST THE RIPRAP, IT WILL PROBABLY KEEP GOING TO THE NORT, YOU KNOW, OFF THE PAGE, I GUESS. BUT THAT'S HOW THE WATER FLOWS WHERE THOSE BLUE ARROWS ARE, AND THE EROSION IS JUST GOING TO KEEP CUTTING UPSTREAM. THIS IS OUR MOST RECENT PHOTO FROM JUST TWO WEEKS AGO, AND IT WAS EVEN WORSE THAN IN JUNE. SO IT CONTINUES WITH ALL THE BIG STORMS NOW THAT WE'RE IN JULY, ALMOST AUGUST, I THINK IT'S SORT OF SLOWED, BUT PROBABLY IN SEPTEMBER WHEN IT STARTS RAINING AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO PICK UP AGAIN. THIS IS THE NOTE ON THE 2016 PROVINCE PHASE ONE PLAT THAT SEEMS PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS PROPERTY. NUMBER SIX COMMON AREAS ARE TO BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOA. NUMBER EIGHT, THE OWNERS OF BLOCK A LOT, ONE OF THIS PLAT SHALL BE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CREEK, INCLUDING ALL EROSION CONTROL, TRAVERSING SAID LOT. THE OWNER SHALL FURTHER HOLD THE CITY OF MCKINNEY HARMLESS FROM ANY DAMAGES, AND IT GOES ON. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE NOTES ON THE 2016 PLAT. SO REAL QUICK, THAT'S THE SUMMARY I HOPE I DIDN'T GO TOO QUICKLY THROUGH IT, BUT I'M AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE FOR QUESTIONS. AND LAURA WITH HOA IS ALSO HERE. THE BLUE OUTLINE. YOU HAD THE WHITE WHICH WAS THE TOWNHOMES AND THEN YES, THE BLUE, AROUND THE COMMUNITY. IS THAT IS THAT ALL? STONEBRIDGE I'M NOT SURE. IS IT ALL STONEBRIDGE I MEAN, I GUESS THE, THE APEX CENTER IS OURS THERE. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF THE STONEBRIDGE HOA BOUNDARY. SO IN THE TOTAL COST OF REPAIR WAS 69,000. NO, SORRY. THE TOTAL COST THAT THE PROVINCE HOA AND THE STONEBRIDGE HOA TOGETHER SOUGHT OUT A FIX. A QUOTE FOR A
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FIX. IT WAS LIKE 120,000. LAURA COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT MORE, BUT I THINK THEY WERE ROUGHLY SPLITTING IT. SO THE 60,000 APPROXIMATE NUMBER WAS THE PROVINCE SHARE, WHICH IS WHY IT'S DISPROPORTIONATE, BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE 8% OF THAT. I THINK THEY WERE JUST SPLITTING IT 5050 BECAUSE IT WAS THE TWO PROPERTIES. BUT THERE'S NO CITY PROPERTY THERE. YEAH. SO THE POND AND THE GRASSY AREA ARE BOTH TWO DIFFERENT HOA PROPERTIES. THE STREET IS THE ONLY CITY PROPERTY THAT'S NEARBY. WHAT IS THE REQUEST TO THE CITY FOR THEM TO PICK UP A MAJORITY OF IT, OR TO SOMEHOW DO A SPLIT OR. WELL, THEY CAME TO US IN JANUARY TO ASK FOR ASSISTANCE. WE DIDN'T GET INTO SPECIFICS ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD DO. WE JUST BASICALLY SAID, WELL, ACCORDING TO OUR POLICY, IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. AND LAURA COULD PROBABLY EXPLAIN THEIR SPECIFIC REQUEST BETTER THAN I COULD. IT SURE SEEMS LIKE AN ISSUE BETWEEN STONEBRIDGE AND PROVINCE. ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? SO LIKE I SAID, LAURA WITH THE PROVINCIAL HOA, I BELIEVE IS GOING TO SHARE FURTHER MAYBE ABOUT THIS AND ALSO THE POLICY. AND I THINK YOU WERE GOING TO SWITCH BACK FOR IF SHE IF SHE NEEDS IT. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK DANNY. HE HAS BEEN SUPER HELPFUL TO US THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, STARTING BACK IN JANUARY, NEEDLESS TO SAY, WATER EROSION IS NOT SOMETHING I KNOW A GREAT DEAL ABOUT, BUT I'VE LEARNED A LOT. SO I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK MR. GRAHAM AND THE MEMBERS OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND, AND CITY MANAGER GRIMES AS WELL, FOR MEETING WITH US LAST WEEK.AND TO ALL OF YOU FOR HEARING OUR POINT OF VIEW TODAY. AS DANNY SAID, I'M LAURA WALLACE. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA. I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER MEMBERS, A MEMBER OF THE HOA AND ONE FROM OUR COMMUNITY HERE WITH US, WITH ME AS WELL. WE UNDERSTAND THE CITY, DETERMINATION BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED HERE, APPEARS TO BE VERY CLEAR. AND IN OUR RESEARCH OF THE CITY DRAINAGE POLICY, IT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION ON THE SUMMARY PAGE, WHICH WE HAVE UP HERE, THAT THERE ARE SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, APPARENTLY, IN WHICH THE CITY WILL CONSIDER ADDRESSING DRAINAGE CONCERNS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. IF THE ANSWER IS YES TO ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS. SO WE LOOKED AT THIS FROM A HOMEOWNER PERSPECTIVE AND A RESIDENT OF MCKINNEY PERSPECTIVE. OBVIOUSLY NOT AS ENGINEERS, AND THERE IS ALSO A MATRIX ON THE NEXT PAGE THAT HAS SOME SPECIFIC CATEGORIES AND KEY QUESTIONS. SO AGAIN, WE WENT THROUGH THIS AS RESIDENTS, HOMEOWNERS AND CITIZENS AND KIND OF RANKED THEM OURSELVES, LIFE SAFETY IS THERE A LIFE SAFETY RISK. SO IN OUR ASSESSMENT WE FEEL THAT THERE'S A HIGH RISK OKAY. WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND YOU SAW AN EXAMPLE OF OUR WAKEBOARDER, WHICH IS NOT THE ONLY EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE YEARS OF PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND KIND OF TREATING THAT AREA AS A PUBLIC PARK, AND IN SOME CASES, A WATER PARK, AS YOU SAW, SO THIS IS A BIG CONCERN TO US BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THAT SCOUR HOLE, THERE IS ALWAYS, ALMOST ALWAYS STANDING WATER PRESENT THERE, WHICH POSES POTENTIALLY A DROWNING RISK, ESPECIALLY TO SMALL CHILDREN.
AND WE DO GET CHILDREN FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT COME OVER THERE TO FISH AND WHATNOT.
AND THEY DISREGARD ANY TYPE OF SIGNING WE HAVE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE CAUTION FENCING AROUND THE AREA TO TRY AND DISCOURAGE PEOPLE, BUT WE ARE CONSTANTLY CHASING PEOPLE OUT OF THE AREA.
CALLING THE MCKINNEY POLICE, ETC, SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE BELIEVE IT. IT PRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT LIFE SAFETY RISK, FLOOD RISK, WHICH THIS WAS SOMETHING ACTUALLY FLOOD RISK AND EROSION RISK ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT AFTER THE STORMS IN MAY AND JUNE, BECAUSE WHAT WE SAW WAS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE WATER GOING THROUGH THAT AREA AND ENCROACHING MORE AND MORE UPON, THE RESIDENCES, NOT NO FLOODING. DANNY'S CORRECT. THERE WAS NOT ANY FLOODING, BUT COMING VERY CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK AND THE ROAD. AND ON ONE SIDE TO A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, SO THAT CONCERNED US, SO, YOU KNOW, HERE THE QUESTION IS, ARE RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS AND OR ROADS CURRENTLY AT AN INCREASED RISK OF FLOODING FROM STORMS UP TO AND INCLUDING THE 100 YEAR STORM AND OUR RESPONSE IS POSSIBLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT 100 YEAR STORM IS, BUT
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I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAD ONE IN MAY AND JUNE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE PRESENTED WITH A 100 YEAR STORM, EROSION RISK, OUR EROSION PROTECTED STRUCTURES AT RISK OF DAMAGE BY EROSION FROM STORMS UP TO AND INCLUDING THE 100 YEAR STORM. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, WE SAY IT'S LIKELY, AND ACTUALLY, IN OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY, LAST WEEK, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A COMMENT THAT EROSION HAS CUT UPSTREAM APPROXIMATELY 30FT IN THREE YEARS. IT COULD BE 3 TO 5 YEARS BEFORE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS THREATENED BY THIS EROSION. SO THERE CERTAINLY APPEARS TO BE A POSSIBILITY OF THAT, AND OUR QUESTION IS, WHY WOULD WE WAIT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN? YOU KNOW, THINGS SELDOM GET BETTER OR LESS EXPENSIVE TO ADDRESS THE LONGER YOU WAIT TO ADDRESS THEM, ECONOMIC IMPACT. SO WOULD IMPROVEMENTS LIKELY ENHANCE PROPERTY VALUES AND OR PROVIDE ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE CITY? SLIGHT BENEFIT. RIGHT. BUT ANY TIME THAT YOU HAVE INCREASED VALUE, YOU KNOW, A PROPERTY'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BENEFIT TO MCKINNEY, NOW FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC IMPACT. WE ARE A COMMUNITY OF ONLY 67 HOMES. WE WERE ORIGINALLY THERE'S A LONG BACK STORY ABOUT PROVENCE AND MAYBE SOME OF YOU KNOW IT AND SOME OF YOU DON'T, BUT IT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO BE AN EXCLUSIVELY TOWNHOME COMMUNITY WITH 80 TOWNHOMES. LONG STORY SHORT, IT IS NOW 67 HOMES. WE HAVE 29 TOWNHOMES AND 38 PATIO HOMES, THE BUILDER DID GO BANKRUPT AND LEFT US WITH SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO ADDRESS, FINANCIALLY. SO IT IS A SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC IMPACT ON OUR HOMEOWNERS, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE TOTAL BID AND WE WERE HAVE ONLY BEEN ABLE TO GET ONE BID. SO FAR. WE HAVE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF VENDORS. THE SECOND ONE DECLINED TO PARTICIPATE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION WAS, SO THE ONE CONTRACTOR THAT WE DID GET A BID FROM, WHICH WAS POND MEDICS, THE TOTAL BID WAS $130,000 AND HE SPLIT IT TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITY BETWEEN THE PERCENTAGE OF STONEBRIDGE PROPERTY AND THE PERCENTAGE OF, PROVENCE PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE IF THERE'S ANY DAMAGE TO IRRIGATION OR LANDSCAPING, WHICH THEY ASSURED US THAT THERE WOULD BE. SO THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE. THIS IS THE LOWEST AMOUNT. THAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE. NOW WE HAVE, AGAIN, 67 HOMEOWNERS, I BELIEVE STONEBRIDGE HAS SEVERAL THOUSAND. SO THE IMPACT TO INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS IS VERY DISPARATE. EVEN THOUGH THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY IS NOT. SO, AND THEN THE OTHER THING OBVIOUSLY IS THERE IS, 150 ACRES OF WATERSHED COMING THROUGH THAT LITTLE CORNER OF OUR PROPERTY, OF WHICH WE CONTRIBUTE 8. BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET 100% OF THE BILL FOR IT, ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS. THERE IS FULL PUBLIC ACCESS. WE JUST WE TRY AND DISCOURAGE IT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT IT, ESTHETIC IMPACT. WE SAW. IT'S VERY LOVELY, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT AFFECTS OUR RESIDENTS MOST DIRECTLY. BUT CLEARLY THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO GO THERE FOR THE ENJOYMENT, THE ESTHETIC ENJOYMENT OF THE PROPERTY. SO OVERALL, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS MATRIX, WE WOULD SAY THE OVERALL SCORE IS 23 OUT OF 30. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD PUT IT IN THE UPPER THIRD, WHICH I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE A HIGH, A HIGH SCORE, A HIGH RISK. SO THAT IS FROM THE HOMEOWNER AND MCKINNEY RESIDENTS PERSPECTIVE. DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR ME? IS THERE HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSION INITIALLY WITH STONEBRIDGE? I MEAN, AGAIN, 8% OF 130,000 WOULD BE TEN FOR 10,400. IS THAT HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT I'M SORRY THERE'S BEEN ANY DISCUSSION WITH STONEBRIDGE AS TO THAT, THAT PERCENTAGE ALLOCATION, IF THEY'RE FINE WITH IT? WELL, I'M SURE THEY ARE. BUT I MEAN HAS HAS HAS IT BEEN SUGGESTED THAT YOUR DEVELOPMENT HAS 8% OF THE WATERSHED AREA? THEY HAVE 92? I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DO. I MEAN, TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THAT WATERSHED BELONGS TO STONEBRIDGE, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP ON. WE'VE BEEN DEALING DIRECTLY WITH THE, THE STONEBRIDGE, I BELIEVE HE'S[00:20:02]
THE MAINTENANCE DIRECTOR, AND, YOU KNOW, HIS PERSPECTIVE IS WHEN WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, HE'S LIKE, YEAH, LAURA, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS FOR THE CEDAR. YOU KNOW? SO, SO THAT'S THEIR POINT OF VIEW. ARE THEY UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'RE ONLY PAYING HALF THAT AMOUNT, OR THEY ARE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THE POND MEDICS, THAT THEY WOULD BE PAYING 70 AND WE WOULD BE PAYING 60 FOR A TOTAL OF 130, EXCLUSIVE OF, AS I SAID, THE, YOU KNOW, IMPLICATIONS OF THE IRRIGATION AND LANDSCAPING IMPLICATIONS. AGAIN, HOW IS THAT ARRIVED AT THAT SPLIT JUST BASED ON WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS AND HOW MUCH OF THE WORK WOULD BE ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, VERSUS HOW MUCH THE WORK WOULD BE ON THEIRS. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. SO WHAT IS YOUR ASK OF THE CITY? YOUR TOTAL ASK? WELL, WHEN I EMBARKED ON THIS, MY ASK WOULD BE THAT THE CITY TAKES CARE OF THIS ISSUE AND THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY ECONOMIC IMPACT FROM IT. THAT WOULD WOULD BE THE IDEAL SITUATION FROM MY POINT OF VIEW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT. WE, IT WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS BODY TO RULE IN THE REQUEST THAT THAT YOU'VE MADE AN APPEAL. WE'LL BE DISCUSSING IT FURTHER, ALSO CONSULTING WITH STAFF AND THEN ONCE WE MAKE A DECISION, STAFF WILL WILL CIRCLE BACK AND CONVEY THAT TO YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. ANY COUNCIL LIAISON UPDATES BEFORE WE HEAD INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION OR WILL THEY BE HELD FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING? SO WE ARE GOING TO THEN MOVE INTO
[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH, IN ACCORDANCE TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551071, CONSULTATIONS WITH ATTORNEY ON ANY WORK SESSION, SPECIAL SESSION OR REGULAR SESSION AGENDA ITEM REQUIRING CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT ADVICE AND NECESSITATED BY THE DELIBERATION OR DISCUSSION OF SAID ITEMS. BLOCK A LOT. SEE A PROVINCETOWN HOME EDITION PHASE ONE UDC ARTICLE 802.1, SECTION 551071 PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION. SECTION 551072 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT REAL PROPERTY HONEY CREEK DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SECTION 551074 PERSONNEL MATTERS. SECTION 551.087 DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MATTERS, CR. J.W. HOTEL, LLC AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE ACTION AFTER THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION UNLESS WE WERE TO. WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK ON ANOTHER AGENDA, OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT ON A REGULAR. GOT IT. OKAY. SO THERE WILL BE NO ACTION AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION. I'VE TRIED TO CALL[ACTION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION]
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